Katherine Woodward Thomas says she has a Ph.D. in heartbreak. She is also one of the most inspiring thought leaders I know. The New York Times Bestselling author and family psychotherapist joins me today to explain how her search for love helped her to help others on the same journey.

Throughout her career, Katherine has helped people from all over the world create conscious loving relationships and is known for her teachings on how to manifest love. In this episode, we learn an amazing practice for helping our dreams get manifested and becoming the person who can enable that to happen in the world.

Listen in to learn how to get unstuck from your past, take responsibility for your failures of love, and lean into the future with a fresh outlook.

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Show Notes:


  • Taking responsibility for your failures of love
  • Leaning into the future with a fresh outlook
  • Getting unstuck from your past
  • Pinpointing obstacles to a happy future
  • Grappling with the self-state
  • Tips for identifying your false love identity
  • How conflict actually affects relationships
  • Intervening in your negative thought patterns
  • Identifying with and sending love to your younger self


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Awakening to Your True Love Identity with Katherine Woodward Thomas


I’m so excited about this episode! In it I interview Katherine Woodward Thomas – NY Times bestselling author of “Calling In The One” and “Conscious Uncoupling” and you will learn in this episode an amazing practice for helping your dreams get manifested and becoming the person who can enable that to happen in the world. I’m really thrilled about this, and I hope you enjoy the episode.

Hello, everybody and welcome to the Deeper Dating Podcast. I’m Ken Page, the host of the podcast, the author of the bestselling book, Deeper Dating. And the co-founder of deeperdating.com, an online environment where people can meet in a way that is safe, inspiring, and positive. Today, I am so excited to have my dear friend Katherine Woodward Thomas with us.

I’m going to be telling you a lot more about Katherine in just one moment, but I just want to say that you can find a complete transcript of this and every other episode on deeperdatingpodcast.com. It’ll have all the links to everything we’re talking about here. It’ll also speak about my upcoming Deeper Dating® intensive. And I just want to say also that what we talk about here is not medical or psychiatric advice.

If you feel that you need that kind of help, I deeply encourage you to get it. I also just want to say that if you like what you’re learning here, what you’re hearing here, I very much encourage you to learn all about Katherine’s work, and also to leave a review and to subscribe to this podcast. Katherine Woodward Thomas, you are going to be speaking to us about awakening to your true love identity, and you are someone who lives in so many ways, your true love identity. You are one of the most inspiring thought leaders I know in this field. I adore you and I’m happy to have you here.


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Katherine: I’m so touched by that. Thank you. That brought little tears to my eyes. Because you’re quite spectacular yourself, Ken, really. Thank you.

Ken Page: Thank you, Katherine.

Katherine: So genuine and wise and caring. You just… Your heart is so big and we get to be the recipients of it all the time. Thank you for having me. I’m really grateful to be here.

Ken Page: Thank you so much. Let me tell you, I mean, I’m sure you all know about Katherine, but let me tell you about her. Katherine is the New York times bestselling author of Conscious Uncoupling: 5 Steps to Living Happily Ever After. And Calling in the One: 7 Weeks to Attracting the Love of Your Life, as well as an award-winning marriage and family psychotherapist. Over the past two decades, Katherine has had the honor of teaching hundreds of thousands of people from all corners of the globe to create conscious, loving relationships and to realize the higher potential of all of their connections, and what those connections hold for their health and happiness.

Katherine’s going to be talking very much about that today in her discussion about awakening to your true love identity. Katherine also trains and certifies people to become certified “Calling in the One Coaches” and or “Conscious Uncoupling Coaches”. She provides ongoing supervision and development to a vibrant community of her coaches from around the world. She is a billboard charting, number one iTunes jazz artist as well, with her CD, Lucky in Love, which was co-written and co-produced with the Brothers Koren. She is also the author of Loving out Loud, the most, absolutely astounding daily inspiring newsletter, which I just encourage all of you to subscribe to. All the links are going to be in the show notes. Katherine, welcome.

Katherine: Thank you. Thank you so much, Ken.

Ken Page: I just want you to just start out and tell us about… Because to me, I think about your journey as being so deeply linked to what you teach. What brought you here and what has led you here?

Katherine: Oh gosh, it certainly is. If you had asked me 30 years ago, if I thought that I would be known for my teachings on how to manifest love, and not just any love, but the highest, the best, the healthiest, the happiest, I would’ve told you you were crazy, because that was the one area of my life that was a total disaster. I had so much heartache around it. All of us who struggle in the area of relationships, we’re pretty loving people. I had work that I loved. I was very creative. I had a lot of… I had a lot going for me, and it was confusing that I couldn’t make love work. It was very painful. I’d wanted to create a family for years. That was frustrated by a really pervasive pattern of people who really couldn’t be there for me.

Any size shape form of unavailability somehow found their way to my doorstep. I had a pattern with married men always attracted to me, always hitting on me. Engaged men, alcoholic men. I had this joke, Ken, which you’ll appreciate, which was gay men who wanted to explore, had a thing for me. It was always an impossible love. I can say it now with humor and stuff, but it was painful and it was heartbreaking. I had torn feelings about married men. Every once in a while, I’d get involved with somebody. It never went well. It was always a heartbreak waiting to happen. But the pervasive experience is that no one was ever really there for me, and I was pretty much on my own. What turned it all around was not the years that I spent in psychotherapy. I am a psychotherapist, but truthfully, that just helped me to understand why I was the way that I was. It didn’t actually help me turn it around.

What finally turned it around is when I took on the metaphysical principle to set an intention for an unreasonable, unpredictable future. I did that by saying at the age of 42 or at the age of 41, I was going to be engaged by my 42nd birthday, which was eight months out, no prospects at all. A friend of mine said something very, very impactful to me when I shared that with her. She said, “Katherine, I’m going to hold that intention with you, and for you, if you give me permission to hold you accountable for being who you would need to be in order for that to happen.”

That was such a gift from God, because instead of running out like a crazy person to try and find love or make something happen, I really went within, at a deeper level and took responsibility for myself as the source of that pattern. Even though it just felt like it was random, it was astrological, it was my fate to be living this story, I just took it on like, “No, I’m generating this. I’m creating this like a commitment,” that’s the lens I’m going to look through. It really wasn’t until I took that on, Ken, that things started to actually change.


Awakening to Your True Love Identity with Katherine Woodward Thomas

Transforming our future: Healing our past is a different domain than transforming our future.


Ken Page: Oh yes. So brave, right?

Katherine: Yeah. Well, it was just a very mature, grown up thing to do. I think that a lot of us are pretty sophisticated when we go like, “Well, why are you having struggles?” “Well, my father is a narcissist or my mother drank too much, or my mother went through postpartum. Or my older brother was abusive.” Now, all of that was probably true, and it’s an interesting place to look. But if you notice, it kind of leaves us powerless to start to change the pattern in the present. It certainly leaves us powerless to create a positive possible future. What I’ve come to understand over the years is that healing our past is a different domain than transforming our future.

Ken Page: Beautiful.

Katherine: Transformation really belongs to those of us who have the courage to say the buck of those old patterns stops here. Even if it was passed through my lineage, it stops here. The future I’m committed to creating is health, happiness, fulfillment. To begin to then lean into the future that we need to, we want to manifest, really discovering how will I need to grow to become who I would need to be in order, not just to manifest that future, but to have it go well when I manifest that future. Some of us know the heartache of actually calling in a great relationship and then it kind of dissolves with all of our history or the other person’s history. We hit the wall of the complexities of all of that past that’s unresolved, and then it just dissolves in a way that’s so heartbreaking. Because we never realized the potentials in that relationship. How do we, actually… Those of us who have a PhD in heartbreak, how do we actually learn how to have a PhD in happiness in love?

I became a student in those four months. When you take that context, you really stand for that. The first thing that comes up is, of course, all the things that’s not that. You really have to have the orientation of clearing away the past, through the lens of how am I keeping the past in my present? What are the parts of me that are not on board for that future that are still stuck in past loyalties, that are still somewhat ambivalent about having love because I don’t trust myself to not give myself away? We have to look at all of those things, but I found that the biggest obstacle was having an identity that was inconsistent with the having of love.

Ken Page: Absolutely. What is called in psychology and self-psychology, a self state. An experience of self that’s so deep, it’s burned into your being. It’s who you are. I so agree with you that that is at the very core of what needs to be healed and addressed and transformed.

Katherine: One of the things that I really confronted in my own “calling in the one” process was this deep sense of self that ultimately I was really alone in life. Really when it comes down to it. Now, all of us are pretty savvy about our beliefs. Most people here have an idea of what their core love identity might be. A few of us are newbies to this domain of personal development, and we might even know the story about why we are the way we are. For me, my mother worked when I was young. My mother was, first of all, just a teenager when she had me. She was very reluctant to bond with me. My parents got married because they had to. It was back in the fifties, you married if you got pregnant. They had a terrible marriage, and my father left when I was probably about a year and a half old.

My mother then was a full-time student and trying to get her own life together while she was saddled with a young baby. Would leave me with sitters for hours at a time and all sorts of things. Then I was a latchkey kid, so it’s not rocket science that I would grow up and have this core orientation to life, to intimate love, that no one was really there for me and I was pretty much on my own to figure it out. What I mean by taking responsibility for ourselves is the source of the pattern, is that what I had to look at was that inside of that automatic assumption that I was alone, other people would either always leave me or never show up for me in the first place. That I had zero criteria that somebody would actually have to demonstrate that they had the capacity to show up for me before I would go hook, line, and sinker with my heart all in. It just didn’t even occur to me to have that as a criteria.

Ken Page: Right. That’s a deeply concrete thing you’re referring to, now, that changes the future.

Katherine: Yes. Thank you. Once you understand yourself… Once you’re looking through this lens and you’re not looking through your psychology, but you’re looking through the choices that you’re making, the actions that you’re taking or not taking, they’re very concrete behavioral choices that are being generated from that core assumption. The first thing we have to do is not just change the behavior. We’ve to go right down to the root of it and change the core consciousness. How we do that is… Actually, there’s an exercise. I just want to tell you about it because you guys can do it.

Ken Page: Oh, that’s beautiful. Can you actually lead the community in it right now?

Katherine: I would love to. I would love to.

Ken Page: Fabulous. Folks, you can just pause. If there’s a little bit of time, you could just pause the recording to go into the experience. This is fabulous. Lets do it.


Know Your Story to Evolve Beyond It


Katherine: Yeah. Okay, great. What we’re looking for right now is to identify what we call your false love identity. That’s the self that you… You might not start out dating from there. You might start out that you have a lot to give, and you’re feeling great about yourself. It’s when you start to feel dependent on someone, or when somebody disappoints you, or doesn’t go the way that you thought it was going to go, you start to get anxious. All that stuff comes up. That’s when we can collapse into being overly identified with this story and not even know that we’re now suddenly five years old pretending to still be a grownup. But internally you feel like you’re five. That’s because you’re overly identified with a part of you that is anchored in the old story. Lets see if we can identify what that story is for you, because it’s critical for you to know the story in order to be able to evolve beyond it.

If you’re safe, if you feel safe to do so, I invite you to close your eyes and just take a nice deep breath, as though you could breathe all the way down into your hips. I want to invite you to imagine that that pattern that consistently shows up in your life is happening yet again. It might be as simple as you never get asked out. You’re always alone on a Saturday night. Or you always seem to wind up with really self-absorbed people who really are all about themselves, where you give and give and give and you get depleted. But then the moment you need something for you, they’re not there for you. Just see if you can land on one of the core patterns that you struggle with. And just imagine that it’s happening again right now. That person didn’t call you back, or you’re being told again, “I just want to be friends.” Whatever that pattern is for you.

Just use your imagination to imagine that, “Oof. Its happened.” Look in your body to see where you’re holding the emotions of that pattern. Usually it’s a heaviness on your heart, or it might be a knot in your solar plexus. Just see if you can find where that is again in your body, and put your hand on that part of yourself, send that part of you some love and just welcome in all of the feelings that you have about that. Just sending that part of you love. Opening to feel whatever comes up for you in that pattern, and seeing if you can actually name it as an “I am” or an “I am not”. For me, it was “I’m alone, and no one’s ever really there for me.” But it might also be, “I’m not good enough, and other people are better than me.” Or, “I’m invisible, and no one really cares about my feelings and needs.”


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Katherine: See if you can actually give that part of your body, where you’re holding the emotional center of the pain of that pattern, a voice to tell you who it is. What’s the “I am” or “I am not”? You might have more than one, so just honing in on the one that has the strongest energy. Then asking yourself, “Sweetheart, how old are you here? How old is this part of myself? How big is the energy that’s being held in this center?” Again, just sending love to that part of you. Opening your eyes, shaking it out, and asking yourself, “What is the best thing about being me now at my current age, as opposed to me back then?” Now we’re just really naming the story that comes up. That’s where you have a default collapse in the face of disappointment, or when you start to get really anxious that maybe you’re more invested than the other person.


Awakening to Your True Love Identity with Katherine Woodward Thomas

Know your story to evolve beyond it: You must know the story in order to be able to evolve beyond it.


Here’s the thing. If we start acting from this center, we will have a tendency, particularly if we want to fix it, we will have a tendency to do things which actually generate evidence for that story. Let me give you another example of that. So inside of the “I’m alone”, and “everyone always leaves me”, or “they never show up for me to begin with”. I’m going to be really reticent to engage conflict or to really bring forth my true feelings and needs in a relationship, because in my world, that’s the beginning of the end. So not only does intimate relationship then require me to self abandon constantly, because I’m not speaking up and I’m not telling my truth. It also prevents any relationship from actually bonding, because what we have learned from all the John Gottman studies that he’s done is that conflict is what actually bonds people together.

If I see through my “I’m alone” lens, the conflicts actually harms relationship, and is the beginning of the end. I will not engage it. I will turn away from it. I will minimize the red flags, and essentially I will fail to bond that relationship down to depth. That’s how I then become the source of all the evidence to the contrary. How do we now deal with this? Because we don’t want to have just more insights into why our relationships don’t work. We want to be able to access the power to evolve beyond it.


Intervene in Negative Thought Patterns


One of the things we need to learn how to do is to differentiate the part of us that’s holding strength, resources, development, intelligence. That might sound like a hard thing to do, but just consider for a moment that if your best friend comes to you and they’re kind of collapsed in a puddle of tears because somebody just disappointed them and they’re making it mean that they’ll never find love, on a dime, you can show up from that competent, strong wise part of yourself and say, “Sweetheart, let me tell you the truth here. That’s not true. Look, this is disappointing. We kind of had an idea that this might happen, but it certainly does not mean that no one will ever love you.”

You have a part of you, maybe that’s a part of you that shows up as a strong, competent boss at work, or you’re creative, or you have confidence on the stage. You have to locate that part of you and bring it into relationship with that tender younger, traumatized self from your past. That younger you, and you say… You almost imagine you could sit yourself down on your lap and say, “Sweetheart, let me tell you, what’s actually true about this story.” Because that story is something you made up when you were too young to know any better.


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Children are always making meaning of their experience that has to do with who am I and where do I fit in this world, and what’s possible for me in this lifetime? That’s their job as children. We’re needing to intercept. There’s this wonderful metaphysician named Neville Goddard, who wrote a book called The Power of Awareness. In that book… I love this quote so much, I actually have it on my desk, so you’re going to see me look over to read it. “You are free to choose the concept you will accept of yourself. Therefore, you possess the power of intervention, the power of which enables you to alter the course of your future.” We want to intervene in that moment. We want to go back and say, “No sweetheart, you were not born to be alone. You came here to love and be loved. It is your destiny to find great love, and you have the power to grow yourself healthy and strong, to be able to create that relationship.”

Is that true? Yes, it’s true. At my fingertips, I could just go to YouTube and spend days learning how to have better boundaries or speak up for myself or negotiate for my needs or differentiate between my unhealthy needs and my healthy needs. All of these things that we didn’t learn when we were young, because we were kind of alone. In my case, there wasn’t a teacher who was teaching me how to do that. Thank God for the whole movement in schools now about emotional education, where we’re actually valuing teaching these kinds of developmental skills to young people. Most of us didn’t get them when we were young.

Ken Page: Absolutely. This was a wonderful exercise, and I did it. I’d love to share with you what came up for me. It was a little bit in a different direction, but the process felt very powerful to me. For me, there was the place of pain, upsetness, anger, when I feel that my husband is not meeting me at a place that’s very sensitive or very needy. That was there, but that wasn’t the biggest one. The biggest one was a feeling of, I can’t love. I have hit a wall and I can’t love. There’s no love there. There’s no love there. There’s no nothing there. I can’t do this. It’s a deep, deep feeling that comes from my early childhood. Holocaust survivor kid, and also being an HSP and not having the tools to be able to ask for what I need. To me, the existential hell place is, I just can’t love.

Katherine: Yeah. It’s like this deep existential aloneness where you can’t connect with people. Is that the feeling?

Ken Page: It’s more like I’m not willing. It’s more like I am not willing. I am not going there. I am not going to feel that there is a wall. Or I can’t. I just can’t. Which is kind of, that was my story. It was the story that I lived in my dating life, which fit in really beautifully with the gay sex, crazy underground world. It fit in perfectly because I confronted that all the time, but never had to really confront it. I did the process that you described, and it was fascinating because my life’s work has been finding my way around that very place. The part of me that has done all this work in finding out that I don’t have to have that be true, was actually able to be in dialogue with this very young place that said, “I got no choice. I’m numb. I’m numb. I want to get out of here.” That was a very wonderful thing to remember both of those.


Awakening to Your True Love Identity with Katherine Woodward Thomas

Love Your Younger Self: You must learn to identify with and send love to your younger self.


Katherine: The I am… How would you say that as an I am? This I can’t love? I am.

Ken Page: I am unable to love. I am unable to love.

Katherine: I am unable to love. Okay. I am unable to love. When you look from this very developed part of yourself, and you’re going to sit that… How old is he, by the way?

Ken Page: Six.

Katherine: He’s six. You’re going to imagine putting him right on your lap, and just holding him close to you. And you’re going to be able to say, “What’s really true about this story?”

Ken Page: Are you asking me?

Katherine: Yeah. I am what?

Ken Page: What’s really true is you had to shut down. Because it was just too much, and the world didn’t work for you.

Katherine: But what’s true about the idea that I am unable to love?

Ken Page: The truth is that that is a trauma place, and there are bypasses. When you know the path through those crevices in the cave, you emerge into a world where you can love deeply and richly and amazingly and create the life that’s so filled with love.

Katherine: Can I give you a suggestion?

Ken Page: Oh yeah.

Katherine: I am a portal for love.

Ken Page: I am a portal for love. That’s beautiful.

Katherine: The truth is you are. I am a portal, and love is endlessly available for me to give and receive. I teach other people how to access this portal within themselves, too.

Ken Page: Yes, and that I have the gift of knowing how to get around the walls, that I have learned how to do that. Because there are walls, there are holdbacks, and those are gold. Those are beautiful. That’s part of the terrain of protection. That’s part of the terrain of reality. I would say that I’m a portal, and a portal who has… I have the map around trauma. I have a lot of map around trauma.

Katherine: Yeah. I think when we’re really in relationship, it’s almost like we want to imagine… That’s gorgeous, Ken. Thank you so much for modeling that. I think what we want to do is learn how to hold that younger unsponsored self, and begin to sponsor that self such that he surrenders. Because a lot of things…

A lot of times when we know the truth, just from our conscious mind or our cognitive self, we don’t don’t really have access to almost disappearing the other story in the sense that the deeper wider center is going to always be the somatic self. The somatic self is the self that’s in charge, really. That’s why talk therapy sometimes doesn’t quite work for a lot of us, because we’re just kind of talking about the ideas. “Well, I know that I’m worth love, but I don’t feel like I’m worth love.” We have to almost get to the self that is down to the hip. Let me just do a little exercise here about how I bring that down deeper and wider.

Ken Page: Sure.

Katherine: Do we have time to do it?

Ken Page: We sure do. We sure do, but I just want to say one other piece that is exciting to me in what you’re talking about. Because there’s this process that you’re describing, and then you also say then what are the behaviors that bring you to that identity? It’s just so beautiful to go to the earliest core, to bring a wise teacher, and then to think what are the practices that root me in that identity? That’s very exciting to me. That’s just a very beautiful process.


Send Love to Your Younger Self


Katherine: Yeah. The self as source piece. How am I the source of the ongoing experience, and how can I be the source of evolving beyond it? That’s so true. Thank you. So in order to wake ourselves up in a way that we feel in our body… It’s not some cognitive… You have these two parts of the self that kind of have different stories, but the one that’s really… When you’re scared, the one that’s running your love life is the self in the body, because of course we’re also vulnerable when people get too close. What you do is… I’ll lead us, as well, through this part of it, too.

Ken Page: Beautiful.

Katherine: Let’s have everyone close their eyes. I want to invite us all now to think of the things about yourself that are really wonderful about you. Your strengths. Your developed gifts. The places where you show up a leader, where you are really wise beyond your years. The part of you that’s able to handle difficult situations. The part of you that others lean on and depend on because they see you as powerful, as competent, capable. Just breathing this strong, mature adult competent self, the one who has access to great wisdom and love all the way down into your hips, as if you could move that energy down into your body. Even imagining you can extend the energy of this self down through your legs, out through the bottoms of your feet. Extending the energy down into the earth and out to the edges of the room.

From this place of expansion and strength, turning your attention towards that younger you in your body. Extending your love to that younger self. Saying to that younger self, “I’m here, and I’ve got you. I love you. I’m here. You’re safe with me. I’ve got you. I see you. I know you. I love you. I want to tell you what’s really true about this idea that you’re forming at the tender age of six, when you can’t possibly know what’s true about you.” Or whatever age came up for you. What’s really true about this idea, and speak words of wisdom and awakening to yourself. Really wake yourself up to the totality of who you came here to be. Recognizing this challenge that you endured was really just part of the hero’s journey for you. Just a moment that would imprint you with the opportunity to grow wisdom and compassion, to strengthen yourself and your gifts.

The truth about you is… And speak a soul truth. I came here to love and be loved. It is my destiny to love. I have the power to keep myself safe. I came here to be a teacher and a conduit of great levels of love in this world. I am not only able to love. I am the cause of love. I am the source of love. I am connected to the source of all of love. See if you can come up with what we call a power statement, really anchoring that deeper truth who I am really is. When you’re ready, you can open your eyes and write that down.

Sometimes it takes a while to really get this. We have a very tiny amount of time, and you might need more spaciousness for this. If you’re not quite getting it yet, it’s fine. Sometimes it might… I’ve worked with people where it took two full days of this inquiry to really get that statement of truth. What we’re doing is we’re getting those two parts of you into relationship, and we want the part of you that’s holding development, strength and wisdom to be the deeper center.

Ken Page: Yes. Just to say something about what you just said, Katherine, is that this was a quick exercise, but a very beautiful one. I would imagine for all of those of you who feel like, “Well, I maybe didn’t fully, fully get it.” You partly got it, and just the act… This is an act of wisdom, to hold those beautiful places where you did get it and you did feel it and just allow those to be. Because I think all of us have experienced that, from what you did and what you said, or probably almost all of us. We can hold the beauty of the pieces that really healed us in that.

Katherine: Yeah. Thank you, Ken. I do have… I came here today. You were kind enough to invite me to be here today because I have two workshops where we’re going to be going even more deeply into this. They’re 90 minute workshops. Both of them are free to the community.

Ken Page: This is so exciting. Yeah. Please tell us, please tell us about this beautiful opportunity.

Katherine: Thank you. Well, the first one that I’m doing is a webinar called Creating Your Future From the Future: Discover the Potent Secrets of Sourcing From the Future to Radically Heal and Transform Your Life. If you notice we started from the future. I’m going to set an outrageous intention that is unpredictable and unreasonable, but I’m going to lean in to start orienting myself to become who I need to be in order to manifest that future. What we call that is the art of living from the possible self of the future backwards.

Ken Page: So beautiful. So beautiful. Folks, pause whenever you want to just drink this in, metabolize it. Such rich, beautiful stuff.

Katherine: Thank you, Ken. Then the second free 90 minute workshop is called Evolving Beyond Your Story: Discover the Keys to Finally Graduating from Your Painful Patterns in Life and in Love. This is really the nuts and bolts about how to shift from being overly identified with our false love identity and waking ourselves to our true love identity, so that we can actually generate our love life from that center. I’m going to give you more of a deeper dive into really being able to even recognize how to show up in new ways that are connected to that true love identity in a way that can manifest miracles and rapid, rapid transformation in your love life. I’m really excited about sharing both of these free resources and hope that you can make it. If you can’t make that actual call, so Ken has the link there for you to look and find out all the details about them. But just sign up, because we’ll send you the recording. We’ll be able to go deeper.

Ken Page: Perfect, perfect. This is such beautiful work, such healing work and such real work. Because it goes down to the nitty gritty, and then offers the antidote, and then helps you craft the pathway through that. This is how we heal. These kind of practices are how we heal our attachment wounds and shift our attachment style. That really does work. I feel inside me the shift just from doing the exercises that you led us in. It’s so wonderful that you’re offering these opportunities for everybody, and I’m just so thrilled to be able to have had the opportunity to share this wisdom and these practices and these tools with our audience.

Katherine: Thank you, Ken. Me too. Thank you so much.

Ken Page: Katherine, I’m just going to ask you briefly, also tell how people can reach you. How they can follow you and how they can connect with your work.

Katherine: If you just go to my website, katherinewoodwardthomas.com. We do have the Love Out Loud messages that we’re actually sending every Sunday, these days. They’re brief but poignant right to the core teachings.

Ken Page: Oh, they’re gorgeous. They’re gorgeous. I sometimes write to Katherine and go, “Oh my God. Was that beautiful?” Yeah. Yeah.

Katherine: It’s kind of part poetry.

Ken Page: It is.

Katherine: Part wisdom teaching around how to really actualize the higher potentials of love in our lives.

Ken Page: Yes it is. Yeah.

Katherine: Thank you.

Ken Page: Well thank you so much for being here, my dear friend. You are a joy and you are a fount of wisdom, and I’m just so delighted to have you in this episode.

Katherine: Thank you, Ken. I look forward to being with you again real soon. And you’re going to come in and talk to my community soon, too. I think we’re going to have you as our guest faculty for the next coach training in Calling in the One. I can’t wait to share your Deeper Dating® work with everyone.

Ken Page: Thank you so much.

Katherine: Thanks, Ken.

Ken Page: Katherine, it’s wonderful to be with you. Thank you everybody, and we look forward to seeing you on the next episode of the Deeper Dating Podcast.


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